screwed it up, we destroyed our markets, we killed wall street, we said we're too big to fail, now give us more. the reaction is totally different. there's no shame anymore about wealth abused. >> i don't think there is any shame. partly, chris, i think it's because that shock to the american economy in 1929, 1930, '31, '32 was so deep and so widespread. one of four americans was unemployed. but you had also a sense that the entire country was directly threatened. now, although the shock is very, very high, and the economy is not growing by any appreciable amount, people do sense that somehow things are going to get a bit better, the economy is not as threatened, and we're not all in the same boat. i think that's the critical issue. we're no longer in the same boat. after world war ii there was enough social cohesion at the tom, ceos, people on wall street, it was just unseemly to take huge salaries. that's gone.